tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post7657651071741178717..comments2024-03-10T23:01:51.493-05:00Comments on Stupid Motivational Tricks / Bemsha Swing: Why I Don't Work on Fiction Jonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-76928943359878113012013-02-22T03:10:40.166-06:002013-02-22T03:10:40.166-06:00From what I've read so far of Lakoff and Turne...From what I've read so far of Lakoff and Turner, I'm not sure that their ideas (no matter how excellent they are) really help in thinking about poetry. They use poetry to articulate a theory of metaphor, rather than the other way around.Andrew Shieldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02804655739574694901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-89775052188922846442013-02-18T07:50:18.904-06:002013-02-18T07:50:18.904-06:00Yes, I've used that book to teach in my prover...Yes, I've used that book to teach in my proverb and idiom class. I use it more there than when teaching poetry itself. Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-44109141971404603002013-02-18T04:34:07.952-06:002013-02-18T04:34:07.952-06:00"Great poetry is hardly even metaphorical&quo..."Great poetry is hardly even metaphorical":<br /><br />a) perhaps one of the problems with how all those scholars of narrative approach poetry is that they think they're supposed to look for metaphors. [Typed "there" instead of "they're": how the fingers do the walking ...]<br /><br />b) Have you read Lakoff and Turner's "More Than Cool Reason: A Andrew Shieldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02804655739574694901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-35909668845333855942013-02-17T21:56:24.570-06:002013-02-17T21:56:24.570-06:00Actually, I will revise that: after poetry, the es...Actually, I will revise that: after poetry, the essay.Leslie B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10020364290777579994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-83618182052906095602013-02-17T16:56:06.909-06:002013-02-17T16:56:06.909-06:00I have no head for history. It's important and...I have no head for history. It's important and I care about it (that is, I use what little I've learned), but I lose the thread of any given book. Poetry is great (better than the movies!) but I return to prose anyway.Vance Maverickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07477306994564623348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-52465235478083364502013-02-17T16:43:22.454-06:002013-02-17T16:43:22.454-06:00Poetry rules! It's the real thing! Prose narra...Poetry rules! It's the real thing! Prose narrative is for the most part dull and it is more interesting to read history!Leslie B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10020364290777579994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-38545410524351801332013-02-17T16:38:40.776-06:002013-02-17T16:38:40.776-06:00Thanks - sorry for the unfocused question. I think...Thanks - sorry for the unfocused question. I think I'm looking for the William Empson of prose, however that might work. SF State has the Morson/Emerson, so I'm on my way.Vance Maverickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07477306994564623348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-61264347863844952942013-02-17T16:07:18.178-06:002013-02-17T16:07:18.178-06:00That's a vast kind of question. I think Auerba...That's a vast kind of question. I think Auerbach's Mimesis is still worth reading, and maybe Peter Brooks' Reading for the Plot. There is Mikhail Bakchtin: The Creation of a Prosaics by Gary Saul Morson and Caryl Emerson. I would read the prefaces of Henry James and The Poetics of Prose by Todorov. But it really depends on what you are looking for. <br /><br />When I do return to Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-16636708816116903882013-02-17T14:23:01.693-06:002013-02-17T14:23:01.693-06:00Even if it's not your chosen field, can you re...Even if it's not your chosen field, can you recommend some critics who have written interestingly on it? I have more time for certain belated 19C writers than you (or other poetry people I know) do, and there's a level of language/rhetoric/composition wizardry going on there that I'd like to see unpacked a bit.Vance Maverickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07477306994564623348noreply@blogger.com