tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post9134233330766847772..comments2024-03-10T23:01:51.493-05:00Comments on Stupid Motivational Tricks / Bemsha Swing: Master narratives: The CourseJonathanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-59208543869408491112013-02-21T20:18:29.203-06:002013-02-21T20:18:29.203-06:00Identity politics, yes.
There were these people ...Identity politics, yes. <br /><br />There were these people in 80s trying to figure out how to establish authority in discourse, or working on authoritarian discourse, I have not read them.<br /><br />Should, though. My intuition was that the exceptionalism defenders use defective logic in the same way as other verbal manipulators do. Now I am noticing that a lot of<br />verbal manipulation is Leslie B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10020364290777579994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-91710573050771989172013-02-21T10:45:21.213-06:002013-02-21T10:45:21.213-06:00I understand what you're saying, I think. It ...I understand what you're saying, I think. It is hard for me to conceive of Fascism without a nation to hang it on. Exceptionalism, though, is a form of identitarian politics that can function authoritatively in other ideological contexts. So you could have authoritarian Lesbian exceptionalism, for example, that's not nationalist. Any kind of separatism or identity politics has to relyJonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-75526059918215706572013-02-21T10:37:59.446-06:002013-02-21T10:37:59.446-06:00Yes, but I mean in addition to the nationalist rea...Yes, but I mean in addition to the nationalist reason. Nationalism is more or less authoritarian in both its repressive and its utopian dimensions but my thought is authoritarian discourse tout court. Where the point is power, whether or not it is about a nation.Leslie B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10020364290777579994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-22302272140164376622013-02-21T08:56:02.356-06:002013-02-21T08:56:02.356-06:00Well exceptionalism is always in conjunction with ...Well exceptionalism is always in conjunction with nationalism. Nationalism are authoritarian in trying to impose a particular shape on the nation. Some of those authoritarianisms are Fascist ones. A nation must have a story of why it is itself and not other nations. Right wing exceptionlisms of Spain as Christian nation are Fascist. Are left wing versions of it also ideologically suspect? I Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371893596402673898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-36649860000439031272013-02-21T02:43:10.882-06:002013-02-21T02:43:10.882-06:00...ah: I mean, it is part of authoritarian discour......ah: I mean, it is part of authoritarian discourse. Do the exceptionalist arguments have the discursive features outlined in Reich, The Mass Psychology of Fascism?Leslie B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10020364290777579994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1055932257464975902.post-89920963502323454582013-02-21T01:12:51.696-06:002013-02-21T01:12:51.696-06:00Latest insight on exceptionalism: it *has authorit...Latest insight on exceptionalism: it *has authoritarian features* by definition. It seems somewhat fascist because fascism is a form of it. This is of course elementary.Leslie B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10020364290777579994noreply@blogger.com